Have you heard about Fitna? Who hasn't?
February 27th 2009 11:49
Having heard repeated mentions of Geert Wilders and his 17 minute film, "Fitna", my curiosity got the better of me. Below is the link to Wikipedia. Sorry, folks, but I cannot imagine how anyone, especially women, could even consider getting involved in such a sick, vicious and warped "religion." I also cannot understand how we can be expected to "make nice" with Muslims or face charges of "hate speech" for being truthful.
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I can't believe that B.O. wants to turn these animals loose on the free world.
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I notice lots of people lately trying to blame Jesus for all the varieties of liberal insanity. When he produced the feast out of a few loaves and fishes, for example, it was a miracle and he didn't force the people in the crowd with money to pay for everyone else to eat. He was NOT a "community organizer" or a member of ACORN, either.
Comment by JoshZ
Helping innocents is a noble cause, something I agree with, but we need to be careful HOW we protect the innocents. We can't do things in His name in ways that He would disagree with. I don't think He would ever agree with us saying that treating men like animals because we do not agree with them is an okay thing to do. Dropping bombs, shooting people, waterboarding, none of these are His way. There is a quote from a man named Thomas Aquinas. He said that if you cannot argue honestly with someone then you should shove four foot of steel through their stomach. His point wasn't that it is better to kill than try to reason with a mad dog, his point was that all human beings are rational creatures, and all of them are worthy of intellectual respect.
I notice people attaching things to His name all the time. It doesn't mean they're right, it doesn't mean they're wrong. Maybe we need to aim somewhere closer to the middle sometimes.
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As for the bombings, they are aimed at terrorist targets (whereas the terrorists like to bomb civilians). Would you be so against "torture" and water boarding if we could turn back the clock to 9/10/01 and get the information from those who attacked us the following day? 3000 victims and their families would probably have been glad to pay for the water.
People who practice radical Islam don't qualify as rational by any stretch of the imagination! Apparently St. Thomas Aquinas hadn't had to deal with them (or perhaps that's where the sword idea came from...)
Comment by JoshZ
Jesus did indeed take action. Once. And technically, because He was perfect, my assumption is that He knew what he was doing. The other thing to note is that He killed no one. Each of them still had the chance of redemption.
Secondly, I would always be against torture. I wouldn't turn back the clock and start torturing people for any reason.
Thirdly, Thomas Aquinas DID deal with them. You might want to read about him before you qualify him so quickly.
JZ
(It was a typo before, I only noticed after I had hit the create comment button)
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The recent attack of Israel on Palastine is a case in point. Israel simply moved in and decided to blow everything they could to hell. They even targeted a UN public school full of children. A well known Palestinian Doctor's (the man was also well known as a pacifist) was targeted and three of his daughters were killed. Do you consider that okay?
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All non-Muslims are under attack constantly because of the "jihad". Whether it's the overwhelming numbers of Muslim immigrants in Europe, trying to force Shariah Law on other countries or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad bragging about his "peaceful"nuclear power while promising to "wipe Israel off the map", they mean harm to all non-Muslims.
B.O. (B.S.) sending "humanitarian aid" money to Hamas is just another example of his total lack of judgment. That money will go for more weapons to kill innocent Israelis. If Hamas gave a rats behind about innocent civilians, they wouldn't be using hospitals, mosques, schools and family homes as shields.
And JoshZ, I hope you never lose a loved one to a terrorist attack that could have been prevented. We sure wouldn't want to make a terrorist uncomfortable, just to save innocent people, would we?
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glad to hear you're against collateral damage.
I think the problem with Muslim extremists is that a lot of things have happened to make them that way. The Crusades, the whole shooting match between Russiaand the US in the middle east, Israel and what they constantly do...This is a region where there has been so much violence that to many it seems the only answer. Obama's move to try and deflate the conflict by helping the non-aggressor in the recent conflict (yes, Hamas shoot a lot of rockets but feel free to compare the numbers of Palestinians killed by Israelis to the number of people killed by Hamas' rockets, you might be shocked) may be the one that actually calms people down long enough for them to sit down and hammer out an agreement. Admittedly we'd need Israel to abide it as well but that's kind of the point.
S.L. I don't think you can trivialise torture as making someone feel "uncomfortable". If you're opinion is that a lesser evil is okay to prevent a larger one then you and I disagree.
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Making excuses for terrorists doesn't make you look very wise, my friend. It makes you look as foolish as B.O. (B.S.) with his "pie in the sky" fantasies of making cold blooded murderers be nice because he gave them money (with which to buy more weapons.)
History proves beyond a doubt that playing nice with killers only causes more casualties. It doesn't make them friendly to us. What you would call "mercy" they would consider weakness, and feel brave enough to continue the attacks. Did 9/11 teach you nothing? Do you really think that ignoring or "trying to understand" monsters will make them into nice people?
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I make no excuses for terrorism SL. I never have. And my point still stands, that I wouldn't do a small evil to stop a different evil.
History has proved that smacking someone or their family makes them MORE prone than less prone to retaliating. I think that giving them a reason to believe that we are not the monsters they think we are may be the first step towards us getting along.
How do you propose to solve the problem?
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It isn't much different today, JoshZ. We can't always identify the terrorists until they blow themselves and others to smithereens. Then the identifications come from DNA and the one guilty party cannot be prosecuted because he/she is already dead (and in Hell where they belong).
We are supposed to "turn the other cheek", I know. But nowhere in the Bible does it say that we have to allow evil to continue unabated. If we want to "forgive and forget" the atrocities committed by terrorists, then we can become slaves to their whims.
I feel sorry for the family in Ireland who lost their son. But forgiving evil doesn't make it go away. Understanding it doesn't make it weaker, it makes us weaker.
Basically, what I'm trying to tell you, JoshZ, is that you can either be a doormat or a door. I'd rather be a door that refuses entry to evil. You seem to want to be the doormat that likes to be walked on.
Evil can only triumph if good sits around and does nothing to stop it.