Feminist heroics
July 24th 2008 04:02
There's a bit of a dust up going on on Deeppencil. I like Morgan Bell, but honestly, Ruby Soho is a pathetic waste of skin and air and her feminist crappola is sickening to real women.
At any rate, the link is here and you can decide for yourselves how wonderful feminism has been for women and for the family unit and for the human race.
It has enabled women to become nothing more than whores (if they choose to be) who sleep around and have no responsibilities... well... except for the fatal diseases they can now freely contract from their multiple partners. It has enabled them to kill their children (wouldn't want the delicate little feminists to be tied down with children, just because they happened to get pregnant, would we?), it has given them the chance to whine and sob when a formerly all-girls school has to go co-ed to survive, while they're turning formerly all-male schools co-ed because they can. It has given them the freedom to do whatever they want with no consequences for their actions and enabled them to destroy their families without good reason (because they want to be free of the drudgery of caring for the hubby and the kids) and want to "party hardy" instead of taking care of their obligations. It has turned them into "pieces of meat" that are fair game for rapists and bullies and killers because they like the "freedom" of the internet and internet dating (not to mention picking up strangers at nightclubs for sex, only to find out he was a little more serious than she was!) And they can exercise their political whims to the limit! They can vote for the sexy, macho guy (like Bill Clinton) or the exciting new guy (like Barack Obama) without giving a rats behind for the damage he can do to the country, as long as she can vote for what pleases her for the moment.
Oh, yeah. Feminism has really done a whole bleeping lot of good for everyone, hasn't it?
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At any rate, the link is here and you can decide for yourselves how wonderful feminism has been for women and for the family unit and for the human race.
It has enabled women to become nothing more than whores (if they choose to be) who sleep around and have no responsibilities... well... except for the fatal diseases they can now freely contract from their multiple partners. It has enabled them to kill their children (wouldn't want the delicate little feminists to be tied down with children, just because they happened to get pregnant, would we?), it has given them the chance to whine and sob when a formerly all-girls school has to go co-ed to survive, while they're turning formerly all-male schools co-ed because they can. It has given them the freedom to do whatever they want with no consequences for their actions and enabled them to destroy their families without good reason (because they want to be free of the drudgery of caring for the hubby and the kids) and want to "party hardy" instead of taking care of their obligations. It has turned them into "pieces of meat" that are fair game for rapists and bullies and killers because they like the "freedom" of the internet and internet dating (not to mention picking up strangers at nightclubs for sex, only to find out he was a little more serious than she was!) And they can exercise their political whims to the limit! They can vote for the sexy, macho guy (like Bill Clinton) or the exciting new guy (like Barack Obama) without giving a rats behind for the damage he can do to the country, as long as she can vote for what pleases her for the moment.
Oh, yeah. Feminism has really done a whole bleeping lot of good for everyone, hasn't it?
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Comment by Louie
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all I can say is wow.
talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.
I normally always respect your opinions and look to you for the rational argument for the the "other side of the coin."
I guess oyu have forgotten about all the women who
1) are not sluts
2) have never had an abortion
3) vote responsibly for those with the best policies
4) dont dress provocatively
5) don't consider themselves "pieces of meat" that men have a right to rape (are you serious)
I could go on. But I think you should have more respect for the MAJORITY of women who don"t fit into your boxes.
Respect is hard earned and easily lost, ill take this as an anomaly and move on.
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Comment by Dianna G
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I wish MY mother had had an abortion.
And, you know, we aren't fair game to rapists OR bullies just because of the way we look, act, or dress.
Give some credit to women.
And, of course, no woman would be able to write, either, if we were still in the 'good old days before feminism'.
~Dianna
Comment by Fellow orbler/blogger
Abortion is MURDER- Promiscuity (casual sex, etc) makes them nothing more than sluts- and yes, that nastiness is exactly what triggers most homicidal maniacs to hunt them down and kill them like trash... probably because if they act like this, they are.
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14 years old and already having sex.... that is not a slut? SL Your point is proven!!! Femenism is horrid if they make this behavior seem justified in any way!!!!! Be a slut, murderer, bitch and never take responsibility for your actions and you too can join the femenist fan club!!!
Comment by S.L.
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Unfortunately, Lester, too many women mistake freedom for license and forget about responsibility altogether, thanks to feminism.
DiannaG, I'm sorry you're so unhappy. But maybe it's because you subscribe to some of the feminist notions (that can make anyone depressed). Your comment really amazes me. Don't you see anything wrong with a 14 year old girl having sex, with or without a condom? While I realize that most rapes have nothing to do with sex, "strutting your stuff" gets the wrong kind of attention, whether you think so or not.
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Comment by Anonymous
Why are even writing this? Shouldn't you be in the kitchen, cleaning the house for your husband and caring for his children? Don't like feminism? Then stop using the privileges it gave you. There are shirts to iron, sandwiches to make, and your husband's cock to suck bitch.
Comment by S.L.
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I have held many jobs that were previously male-dominated. I was never hired because of my gender, but because I was able to do the work. Back through history there have been many women who held "man" type jobs and did them well.( Before the modern version of feminism crawled out from under its rock and crept into the daylight.)
My complaint with what is now called "feminism" is that it doesn't do anything positive for women. It brings them down in ways they don't even understand. Using the term "feminism" seems to give the realities of it a pass. Abortion is a crime against humanity and "feminism" decrees that all women must support it because it makes them "free." Free to sleep around at will (or whim) and avoid the consequences. "Feminism" supposedly gave women their rights. No, it didn't. Women themselves earned their rights and no "movement" made it happen.
So, Anonymous, you don't think women should have children? You don't think they should be allowed to have husbands? You assume that everyone can afford a maid to do the cooking, ironing, cleaning, etc. that are traditionally female responsibilities? Lucky you. Or maybe you don't allow such things to be done in your home, lest someone might think that you are less of a feminist? Must be a really clean and tidy home, right?
It apparently hasn't occured to you that some women love their families and enjoy taking care of the mundane chores that you seem to object to them doing. You gonna come over and do it for them? Or shall we all just live in squallor so that the "feminists" won't be offended?
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The only one hurting women is you.
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I am also married and a mother, but not filled with the rage you seem to express. I had two hideous marriages, by the way. Feminism had nothing to do with them. The guys were really good liars so I believed them. Later, I left them because I couldn't stand their ugliness and brutality. No feminism involved, just common sense.
What I keep trying to tell you and you keep shying away from, Anonymous, is that no movement, no abortionist, no political force can make you do what you don't want to. It has nothing to do with feminism. I agree that there are cultures where women are considered property... as a matter of fact, we just freed a country from that philosphy (and our military has nothing to do with feminism, either). My grand daughter is a Marine, not because of feminism, but because she passed the tests and was intent on joining, to build a future for herself while serving her country.
Sleeping around doesn't make you free, Anonymous (feminism would like you to believe it, of course) and killing your children doesn't make you free, either. It destroys something deep inside that neither feminism nor anything else can rebuild. Careers are fine and dandy, but they come and go. A good marriage and kids is something that feminism hates but also something that stay with you forever. Would you really want to be an angry, bitter old lady sitting in a feminist nursing home, waited on by other angry, bitter people? Or would you rather spend your "golden years" delighting in your husband, kids and grandkids?
Comment by alt_ed
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If it wasn't for the feminist movements you would have many of the rights that you yourself take for granted...
God, you people are insane- S.L. you do no Morgan is the least slutiest person I think anyone could know right? She's FUCKING A-Sexual... Are you really going to try and lump her into the promisquious whore basket?
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Comment by Dianna G
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I'm a lot more mature than most fourteen year olds and sex is about maturity, not age.
And if you feel like going back to before feminism than I'd be legally married to some extremely old guy with my luck and raped every night.
I DESERVE that, right? Because I'm female?
This disgusts me.
And I'm depressed, kthx, because Daddy died of cancer, and I hate to break it to you, but feminism didn't cause cancer.
~Dianna
Comment by Dianna G
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Would you rather lose a few or lose the planet?
~Dianna
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Comment by Dianna G
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Well I'm sorry that my blood boils when I'm called a slut. I think I have a right to get angry and swear on occasion.
And I don't care to sound sweet, because I'm not a sweet innocent little girl without an independent thought.
You lose points for your condescending attitude because of my age and ONE swear word.
~Dianna
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Comment by Dianna G
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Your tone seemed very condescending, for whatever reason, I hate to break it to you. And, to top it all off, you made an attack on my debate skills-I returned the favour, the points wasn't a serious thing, it was a demonstration.
And I never said I was happy. But I am free to make up my own mind.
~Dianna
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Comment by Dianna G
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My writing makes me smile. And good books. And I wouldn't be able to do that if not for feminism.
Being free is a great thing-so is happiness. And to have even one of them is a damn good thing.
My friends make me smile. A lot of whom are feminists.
My grandmother? She makes me smile. Because she's a wonderful person. She's a feminist.
So yes, there are things that make me smile. It's just the smiles don't last forever and when they're done, so is the happy for a period of time.
~Dianna
Comment by S.L.
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You're so young to be so sad and so jaded, Dianna. Do you ever go to church? You might find a lasting happiness there.
Comment by Dianna G
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I see freedom as something pleasant. I'm not very promiscuous but I don't look down on those who are-and
in my mind there are times when abortion is right.
My abortion brought with it peace, because I didn't have to deal with the crap that comes with pregnancy. I've decided not to have children-and that's my right.
I've been to church. It isn't for me. I'm vaguely anti Christian.
My spirituality, religion, whatever it is going to be called, provides me with some happiness. But I've been through a lot of suffering, and it's not just about Daddy-but that's a big part of it.
I hate to break it to you, but people have the right to be unhappy. And I do find accomplishments to be happy things, but I don't have very many of them, especially during the summer. Because it's not like we can afford any extracurricular lessons for me, and I'm not really into most of what's taught anyway, and Nanowrimo is in November.
I suffer from mental illness. I can't control my emotions a fair chunk of the time. It's not exactly my fault, thank you very much.
~Dianna
Comment by S.L.
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Being disabled isn't an excuse, Dianna. One of the brightest, most beautiful and good people I have ever known was born deaf. Now there's something to deal with, don't you think? Many people with diabilities have done great things with their lives and not used them as an excuse for behaving badly. Beethoven (ever hear of him) was deaf and wrote magnificent music that is still played today. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was crippled with polio and couldn't walk. He didn't use it as an excuse. He became President of the United States and saw us through a Depression as well as World War 2. Dyslectic people have become presidents and governors and even famous actors. People in wheelchairs have won marathons. Blind people have written books! Helen Keller was both blind and deaf, but she became a famous author. Feminism had nothing to do with it, by the way. Ronny Milsap and Stevie Wonder are both totally blind, but they forgot their diabilities and became famous singers and musicians. James Stacy lost an arm and a leg in an terrible accident and he went on to have a life and make movies after his injuries. Whatever your disability is, Dianna, is it worse thasn theirs? Are you a blind, deaf and dumb quadriplegic, perhaps? Are you confined to a wheelchair for life like Steven Hawking? He's done rather well for himself, all things considered, don't you think? I'm not trying to hurt you, Dianna. But you need to know that a disability isn't everything about you, unless you make it that way. And it isn't an excuse for behaving in an irresponsible fashion. Losing a parent is no excuse, either. Lots of orphans have done very well.
Standing up for what's right and believing in the talents that God gave you can take you a long ways. Spending your life as a "helpless victim" will gain you nothing but misery. You're young enough to have the world before you and be able to build a really good life for yourself. Just knock off the excuses and do something positive instead of wasting what you have and what you are and what you can be on a momentary thrill. Killing more children won't make you happy or productive, Dianna. Feminism isn't the key to your future, either. It only serves to open the door to destruction.
Comment by Dianna G
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If I ever want to keep a kid, it won't matter. I did what was necessary. If I'd had the kid, Children's Aid would've taken it away-I'm not going to go through nine months of morning sickness etc etc and then however long of labour only to not be able to see what I worked for.
I don't believe in God. And I do stand up for what is right, and what I believe in. Doesn't seem to be making me any happier-only more determined. I'm not PLANNING on killing anymore kids, because the idiot that is my mother FINALLY got me on birth control. And I don't hate myself-it's got nothing to do with that, nor does it have anything to do with excuses.
I still work for the things I love, just the accomplishments tend to only really happen every once in a while-for me an 'accomplishment' that makes me happy is FINISHING something, or getting something in exchange for all my hard work.
If I wasn't doing anything positive I wouldn't even be on this site.
I also would like to see how I'm being irresponsible simply because I understand that my depression is beyond my control.
Feminism isn't destroying me. Neither is anything else, really, except my own mind-and the part of it that will destroy me is beyond my control at the moment.
It's the individuals who take feminism and destroy themselves with it, it isn't the movement itself that does the destruction. And women could be plenty self destructive before it came along. Now they're just more open about it.
~Dianna
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Comment by Dianna G
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I don't think promiscuity is screwing one guy who you dated for eight months, thank you very much. And I don't think not being depressed is going to stop me having sex if I want to.
Abortion won't make AIDS go away, yes, that is true. But I know a lot more than you seem to give me credit for, and I don't have AIDS, and I'm not sleeping with every guy I meet.
I full well know that keeping your pants on isn't a crime. I also know that having sex with someone you love, at any age, isn't a crime.
~Dianna
Comment by S.L.
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Is there any interest that you have which can be used to help you rather than hurt you? Do you have any education (or are you still in high school)? Please, find a goal that will benefit you in later years, keep your pants on, and make a life for yourself. You have already gone through far too much for such a young age. For your own sake, ditch the phony "feminism" garbage and do something good with your life. There's so much more than sex, abortion and temporary thrills! Feminism has done nothing but harm you. Give God another try. He's always there and loves you in spite of everything. All you have to do is believe and make an effort not to make the same mistakes again.
Comment by Dianna G
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If you had any clue who you're talking to, you wouldn't be talking about this stuff, because the only reason I even brought this up is because of the crap you've been saying, and it's ridiculous. I have dreams outside of sex, in fact sex isn't a dream OR an ambition for me, it's something I enjoy, thank you very much, like any adult. In fact, my dream is writing, and like I said, you might care to at least look at somebody's profile before you confuse them for an ambitionless idiot.
Feminism has not harmed me, it's given me freedom; what you're saying is wrong to do at such a young age, I would have been FORCED to do at this age a long time ago. There is more to life than sex and abortion, I'm not stupid, thank you very much. I will never believe in the Christian God because I have my own beliefs outside of that, and seriously, you need to open your mind a bit and accept that other people believe different things.
I never said I'm not doing something good with my life, READ some of my writing, thank you very much, I'm at least trying. You're not giving me any credit as an intelligent human being, if you admit it or not, you're thinking of me as an idiot because I. Had. Sex.
Get over it, I'm not the youngest girl to have done so nor am I the first to have done so at fourteen. And I'm not saying sex=love. I'm saying that if you love a person there's nothing wrong with having sex with them if you feel good and ready.
It's not about age, it's about readiness. And can you list three ways in which feminism has harmed me, considering that years ago I would've been forced to have sex, and now, I can have sex when I'm damn well ready?
And consider the fact that I never plan on having children, and the need for an abortion was MY MOTHER'S FAULT, in case you can't READ, because somehow the address and phone number we got for a family doctor VANISHED before I ever got my hands on it, because my mother is absolutely useless and can't bring herself to do anything more than sit on her ass.
~Dianna
Comment by S.L.
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Go ahead and throw your life away if that's what you and your feminist ideals tell you to do. God will still be there when you grow up. I just hope you manage to survive to adulthood. It doesn't sound very promising so far.....
Comment by Dianna G
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I'm not planning on throwing my life away. Like I said, you need to actually pay attention, because I am trying, unlike what you seem to think, and I'm not an immature idiot. I have dreams and none of them include children. Hate to disappoint you.
And I'm sure you HATE sex, right?
I'm still human, I'm still a person, and I'm a lot more adult than most fourteen year olds, whether you see it or not. Which you don't seem to. But that's okay. Because I don't see how you're so smart, either.
~Dianna
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Right?
Guess what? I'm prepared to live with mental anguish! I already live with mental anguish every single day! I don't care if I feel empty, it was necessary at the time, and the reason I'm not planning on ever having children, because I never had a real mother. I don't think I'd make a good one, and I'm not prepared to put a human being through this.
You can chalk it up to being 'immature', but it's more about realizing my shortcomings. One of them is my lack of ability to deal with small children because I have a very nasty temper.
Anyway, there was nothing else I could've done, given the circumstances, that makes sense. And saying I don't plan on having children doesn't mean that things can't change.
Quite simply, I've come to understand that some things are not for me. Children happen to be one of those things, and I don't think I'm going to regret it.
If I do, oh well. Everyone regrets something some day.
~Dianna
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Comment by Dianna G
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Because it's about the way your mind works not the age you are physically.
The father's age has nothing to do with it. You know why? Because it's money you need to be able to raise children, and money is something I don't have, and neither did he. You can complain about it all you like, but in the end, like I said, the kid would've gone to Children's Aid.
Because nobody in my family or his could have supported it financially, so the thing would've starved.
Would you rather I have had the kid and had it taken away from me? Or, better yet, let it STARVE?
And I don't think that I need a life without rules.
I did what I had to, sorry that it pisses you off because you have such a great concept of family that you don't seem to understand: my mother can't even afford birth control or pain killers, how the hell do you expect us to be able to raise children?
It's not like I was 2, or stupid, I had sex with a guy I went out with for eight months, we used condoms, and once, one broke. Guess what? I have bad luck. It knocked some sense into my relatives so they finally got me on the needle.
Sometimes shit like this happens. Get the hell over it.
~Dianna
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Comment by Dianna G
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It's better to let them live in misery and pain, than it is to destroy them.
In my mind it's not really murder until the kid is able to survive outside of the womb.
Go to bed. I hope you have nightmares about being raped by creepy old men, because, clearly, in your mind, that's what women deserve.
~Dianna
Comment by Natalie 2
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What are your thoughts on freedom in general? I take it that you consider yourself a proud American, but I so often see you speaking with such disdain for the freedoms that America guarantees. Please take this question outside the context of Abortion, because it is clear how you feel about that, and you are entitled to your opinion. But, what of the freedoms that have been gained by women in America? Whether or not you agree with the choices that some people make, will you defend their right to make those decisions?
Just curious, because it seems to me that those who seem to scream the most loudly about being proud to be an American seem to be the first to condemn those who would exercise the freedom that America provides.
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Abortion is MURDER- Promiscuity (casual sex, etc) makes them nothing more than sluts- and yes, that nastiness is exactly what triggers most homicidal maniacs to hunt them down and kill them like trash... probably because if they act like this, they are.
If I'm to understand correctly from a comment you made on someone else's post that your sister was raped and your own daughter raped and murdered. How could you possibly support a comment like that?
Some of your comments on the feminism post that began this were extraordinarily over the top and I even though I support your right to have any view you choose on the topic of abortion, generalising about all unmarried women as whores, disease carriers and murderers was inexcusable. I thought that was the most offensive thing I had read until I read the above comment...and the fact that you supported it. Either you have a ridiculous set of double standards or the stories of what happened to your family are fabricated. And, I choose to believe nobody would do anything that abhorrent.
Please tell me you don't blame your sister or daughter in any way for the vicious crimes perpetrated against them! Nobody, whether they are an innocent child, vestal virgin, or prostitute deserves to be the victim of violent crime.
I am stunned beyond belief.
Comment by Dianna G
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I'm thinking that, as much as SL goes on about people 'starting controversy', she enjoys stirring shit up as much as the people she complains about.
Not saying it's her whole reason for being... sexist is the only word to describe it as, and in disgusting ways, but I'll bet that's part of why she posted.
For attention.
Well, she got it-most of it bad.
~Dianna
Comment by S.L.
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Women voting is another "gift" of early feminism. Ann Coulter has a point about the changes that happened when women started voting. Most of those changes were not for the better.
As I've pointed out before, all through history women have been able to "step up to the plate" when necessary and do traditionally male jobs. World War 2 had more to do with women in the workforce than feminism did.
The biggest surge of feminism was the 1960's. The birth control pill was invented and the feminists of the day thought it meant that they could have sex as much, as often and with as many people as the wanted. They turned "freedom" into license. When abortion was legalized in the early 70's, it only got worse.
Feminism has been, at best, a double-edged sword that made some lasting changes in society. Most of the changes have to do with sex and have brought down the moral fiber of society.
I am not advocating that we all live under Shariah Law, by any means. But the steady whittling away of religion in favor of "feminism", the abdication of responsibilities in favor of entertainment, and the societal ills (many of which were caused by liberalism and feminism) are very disturbing.
Does that answer your questions, ladies?
Comment by Dianna G
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But religion's a whole other debate, not feminism.
~Dianna
Comment by Mrs M
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There really is no need to pick on a 14 year old girl. You've shown really bad form here.
Do you think you could choose your words a little better?
She's 14. She's had an abortion. She has an absent mother. That's a lot for a 14 year old. But she does have a brain in her head.
If you really gave a damn about her, you'd be a little more sympathetic.
Would you really get rid of feminism if you could? That includes getting rid of:-
the right to vote
the right to get equal pay for equal work
making sex discrimination illegal
making rape, esp within marriages, illegal
the right to own land
the right to bank accounts
access to education
the right to enter a public bar
the right to travel without a chaperone
entitlements in a divorce
Do you hate feminism so much that you would sacrifice all of the above and more?
Love & stuff
Mrs M
Comment by S.L.
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There are some aspects of "feminism" that had benefits. It has since degenerated into a "free sex, abortion, and ugliness" that should not be getting the popular approval some people seem to feel for it.
Comment by Anonymous
BTW, before feminism all the common sense in the world wouldn't have given you the freedom to get divorced. In fact before feminism your ex husbands would have been well within their rights to beat and rape you for attempting to leave them.
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There. I typed slowly so you could read it. Happy now?
Comment by D. Armenta
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Dianna, you don't have to justify anything to this person. You're also never ever ever going to be able to reason with her, so don't waste your time.
Here, try this link, Dianna. click here
I know what you're going through; I'm a fellow sufferer. Talking to Bradish isn't going to help matters, trust me.
Good luck, dear.
I'm telling you Bradish--not much gets my blood boiling, especially words. They don't hurt me, but I'm old enough to know better.
It's boiling now though, remembering the words (almost exactly your words, Bradish) my neighbor said to me when I ran to her for help after being raped. At age 4. Guess those overalls I was wearing were a bit too provocative. Leave Dianna alone.
Stop poisoning this girl's mind with your nasty personal opinions. Have some sense of responsibility about what you write and to whom you address it, for pity's sake.
Comment by S.L.
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Maybe you should have some of your eyes checked, D. Dianna kept coming back here, I didn't invite her and I didn't chase her down. I'm sorry you were raped at 4, but that's hardly the same as intentionally having sex at 14 asnd then getting an abortion because you weren't really as grown up as you thought.
It sounds like Dianna has a lot of problems and issues to deal with and you coddling her and telling her it's all right to act any way she wants to isn't going to help her a bit. You obviously didn't bother reading the whole thing or you would have seen that I recommended she get some counselling.
Your venom sack must be getting low by now, dear. So why don't you go recharge it so you can spew all over your next victim.
Comment by D. Armenta
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Listen, Bradish--I mean it. Leave the girl alone. I don't care who comes to whose blog, you have certain moral responsibilities when it comes to what you write when you know the person you're writing to is 14.
Posting a link to a depression forum that helped me out can hardly be considered coddling.
The difference between you and me is that I'm not sitting in judgment of someone about whose circumstances I know nothing .
Comment by D. Armenta
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You should read a little more--it would improve your spelling and usage, you know.
Comment by S.L.
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Very good point, D. Do we really know she's 14 years old? Maybe she's just a heavy-duty abortion supporter who pretends to be a child to make abortion look better.
I suggested she get personal counselling, not something online, because I thought interacting with a person might work better for her.
And I'll tell you one more time, I didn't chase her down and drag her to my site. She kept coming back. What would you like me to do? Spank her? Or just tell her that her abortion was a "wise and sensible" choice and that I support it? Never, EVER happen, D. Maybe I should just delete every comment she makes. If she really is a depressed 14 year old that'll do her a lot of good, won't it? Nothing like a little rejection to cheer a kid up, huh? Maybe I'll just send her to you.
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Oh geez shut it.
You WEREN'T being very nice, no matter what you say. Seriously.
I am not impressed.
How old were you again? You sound like a literate twelve year old to me-trust me, I've met some.
No, you know what you sound like? The kids at my first school. Because, you know, there there were only two religions 'allowed', and you were either Hindu or you were Christian, and anything else was not allowed.
Here I see it's you're either Celibate Until You're Thirty, or you're a Cold Blooded Murderer, or maybe, if you're lucky, just an Immature Idiot.
Sounds like the good old days!
~Dianna
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I still recommend that you get counselling. But that's all I have to say to you Dianna. Good luck.
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Yep--that'll help. What was I thinking? Are you a family planning counselor too?
You seem to have a lot of "friends" who are "experts", Bradish. If memory serves, your homeschooling defense was that you had "friends" who dabbled in areas you professed to teach your kids and they told you how to teach them.
Who attacked your writing? I'm simply pointing out that your spelling and grammar could use quite a bit of improvement. Regardless of what your "Ph.D friend" tells you, you need work in those areas. Reading more would help a lot.
Just a little honest feedback.
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What I said to Dianna is exactly what I would have said to anyone else, and have said more than once. Abortion is the worst "sugar pill" in the world. It makes a person think that their "problem" is solved, when it doesn't cure anything and has brutal side effects. Killing a baby doesn't fix the root problem that the woman has, D. It only makes her think that she's wise, sensible and has "done the right thing." It isn't true. The problem is still there and later she may have regrets that will eat her alive.
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Once again, you don't know her circumstances. Who are you to judge anyone but your own self?
Some guy I read about once--his name started with a "J", I think--said something like "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
There was something else, too: something like "Judge not, lest ye be judged".
Can't remember where I read those, but I'll be sure to cite a reference for you as soon as I find it.
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As for the quotes, what, are you that ashamed that you know a little about the Bible? How pitiful!
"Judge not, lest ye be judged" means not to condemn people for trivial differences. It doesn't mean that we have to approve and applaud every form of bad behavior that comes along.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" would only apply if I had killed a baby and then jumped all over someone else for doing it. The Bible says nothing about it being wrong to recommend counselling for someone who is obviously disturbed.
If you're going to quote the Bible, D. it might be wise to know what the quotes mean and not just use them as an excuse to condemn someone else for believing in it.
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I forgot that sarcasm goes right over your head.
Say, those are pretty interesting interpretations of bible quotes you have there, Bradish. What's your source? Did Jesus tell you himself, or are you just drawing your own conclusions?
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Can you please stop flooding my inbox with your stupidity and moral judgements, SL? I'm assuming once you stop making your judgemental comments then D will stop defending herself-and me-against them.
And I'm sure you know all about would be intellectuals, SL.
You seem to be one, and that PhD friend must be one as well... probably cheated...
~Dianna
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D doesn't want me talking to you, so why don't you go talk to her instead? And if you don't like the fact that I keep telling you to get therapy, then stop coming by.
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That last wasn't sarcasm, Bradish..I was serious. How did you come up with those two interpretations of the bible quotes? Did someone teach you that?
Your interpretations are wrong, you know. Don't take my word for it though; I'm sure any student of divinity would say the same.
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A liberal first year divinity student might agree with you, D. But my pastor has been a minister for twenty years and he spoke extensively on that very subject a few weeks ago. I'd rather take his word than yours, if you don't mind.
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Context! Comprehension! Retention! These are all areas that could be improved if you'd read more, Bradish. I'm talking about litereary classics, not blogs. Seriously--this is not meant as an insult--but you really need to brush up on these skills.
Now, about those bible quotes:
' "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" would only apply if I had killed a baby and then jumped all over someone else for doing it.'
If your pastor agrees with that, he needs to go back to divinity school. Translated into context, your interpretation would mean, "Let he who has never committed adulterycast the first stone."
According to the Geneva study, that is translated as :
(2) {Jesus' words speak}..against hypocrites who are very severe judges against other men, and flatter themselves while they are sinning.
-And Matthew Henry: All who are any way called to blame the faults of others, are especially concerned to look to themselves, and keep themselves pure.
D. Armenta
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As for my pastor and what he teaches, maybe I didn't word it quite clearly enough. But the idea is the same, don't judge others for doing the same thing that you do yourself. Pointing out that something is sinful or wrong is acceptable because the Bible doesn't say that we have to ignore sin or crimes and say nothing about it. You know the old saying, I'm sure... Evil can only prosper if the good do nothing.
Actually, as I think about it, aren't you violating your own convictions by complaining about anything I write? If nobody is allowed to object to things they consider wrong, how can you feel justified in carping on me because you don't like what I have to say? Just a touch of hipocricy there, D?
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Now how would your blog be written any differently than anything else you write? More importantly, why? Is your spelling, comprehension and usage better in your other writing projects?
Pointing out something that you think is sinful in a blog is your right as an American. I would never contest that. What I do object to is foisting that opinion on a 14-year-old girl under the guise of "helping" her.
As an American, I also have the right to object..or, as you put it, "point out sins" when I see them committed against a minor. See how that works? Both ways.
..and who's carping? I pose relevant questions to you on your posts and back up my statements with resources. Don't lump me in with the current high school crowd who's pecking at you; I don't approve of such things. Disagreeing with someone is no cause to start a shitslinging campaign.
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I wasn't "foisting", D. She kept coming back to me. Did she ever go to you? If she really is 14 years old and not just a scammer, she needs counselling, not a pat on the head. I posted a link concerning the psychological problems that women who kill their children get. She sounds like a classic example, especially with her remarks about insomnia. If your reading skills were up to par, you would have seen that I repeatedly referred her to you and to counselling. Or do you just notice selected passages that you can complain about?
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If I did I'd be here all day.
What my reading skills did pick up were constant references to "killing" her child. That is an opinion--yours--not the law. Expecting everyone in the world to abide by your particular beliefs--and then castigating them if they don't--is rather shortsighted, Bradish.
D. Armenta
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And, exactly what is it you think a pregnant woman is pregnant with? A rock? A turnip? No, the term is "pregnant with child" because what she is pregnant with IS A CHILD. It doesn't say "Pregnant with lump of unviable tissue" either. As babies survive being born earlier and earlier, some people are smart enough to understand that that "thing" that the "liberated woman" has a right to be rid of, is actually a human being. Odd that you aren't among the folks who can understand that a baby is a baby at whatever size. You say you believe in "women's rights" yet ity doesn't bother you how many "little women" are killed every day just to please "bigger women." Your position is the shortsighted one, D. I've heard it said that the liberals will eventually abort themselves out of existence. If that isn't shortsighted, nothing is!
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What about miscarriages? Did God kill the baby?
What about unwanted babies born into poverty and abuse? Would you wish a life of hell on them as compared to not starting a life that's going to be miserable?
With birth control in most progressive countries available and affordable today, do you honestly think that any woman in her right mind would choose to abort as a means of birth control?
See, Bradish? Too many grey areas.
By the way, I have never stated my political beliefs here or elsewhere, so don't assume.
Since you have such a boner about Liberals, why aren't you letting them "abort themselves out of existence" then, instead of pestering them with your own personal beliefs?
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Yes, I do think some women use abortion as their favorite method of birth control. I know some of them personally.
Having had 5 miscarriages, myself, I don't know why it happened. Maybe it was God, maybe it was something else. A miscarriage in completely unintentional on the part of the mother and therefore is not in a "grey area" as you would like to say.
No, you have never stated your political affiliations, in so many words. If you are a conservative in any way, shape or form, you certainly have kept it well hidden. If you are a liberal and feminist, your own words seem to aim the reader there (whether you like it or not). I don't really care what your "personal" politcis are, D. Your actions and words scream quite loudly that either you are a full-blown liberal feminist or that you are a world class jerk who loves to cause trouble and has no particular thought process to support you. Either way, it's your problem, not mine.
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You make me wish reincarnation was real, just so you could come back, have a bunch of unplanned babies, and have them all grow up to be gay liberal feminists. What a wonderful shot of irony that would be....
You seem to know an awful lot of people and have had an awful lot of experiences, Bradish. If I were to go back through your posts and count, it would make for quite the story. Murder, rape, abuse, miscarriages, war heroes, karate experts, abortions, drug addicts, mentally ill people, ministers, muslims...the list just keeps on going. You should sit down and put it all together in an autobiography someday.
"World class jerk"? I like that. I'm not the one stalking you or posting hate pieces about you; I simply disagree with your--shall we say, especially in light of all of your life experience--narrow views.
Have I called you any names? The closest I've come to saying anything that could be construed as an insult (though it certainly wasn't intended as such) would be my impartial criticism of your spelling, grammar and usage.
For someone who claims to be an accredited writer, they are atrocious. Sincerely. You lose credibility with every third-grade-level misspelling or misuse of English that you publish.
Surely amongst all of the thousands of people you know there must be a formally schooled English major in there who could edit your stuff?
Well, since you're once again exhibiting that tendency to avoid giving straight answers, I'm off the subject for now.
For the record--I don't approve of the witch hunt and have said so.
Ta ta for now...
D. Armenta
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I'm truly, honestly, and sincerely not interested in your opinion of my writing skills. It's a pitiful attempt to make yourself look better at my expense. I much prefer to listen to intelligent, educated people who read my books and like them than to a hack who has never read anything beyond my blog. So keep wasting your time if it makes you feel important, D. But waste it somewhere else, you're boring me.
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But, because I think all human life is precious, I don't believe that anyone has the right to harm anyone else. A woman should be able to walk the streets *naked* if she chooses, and not be molested. The same goes for a man.
Human life is human life. You can't pick and choose which you'll be protecting. Murder is wrong, assult (including rape) is wrong, war is wrong, execution is wrong.
Saying otherwise just makes you a hypocrite.
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And on the subject of executions, Anonymous, as soon as a member of your immediate family is beaten, raped and murdered by a serial killer and you ask for life without parole (knowing how easily that can be commuted, allowing the monster back on the streets to claim more innocent victims), then you'll have a right to say something. Until then, shut the *&^% up and be glad that some of the monsters that have killed others won't be able to come after you.