More Muslim Demands
October 18th 2007 10:25
Diversity is a crock, as well as a pain in the butt. Making endless concessions to Muslims is not in the best interests of anyone concerned. And we are all concerned, folks! Setting aside seperate places for them to pray was bad enough. No other group makes such demands that their religion be treated with kid gloves and catered to at every turn. The footbaths were a ridiculous addition to the list of things they "have to have". Now they're demanding seperate eating places on college campus'. Please! If they are so devoted to their ways, let them go someplace where their religion is the law of the land and leave the rest of us the bloody hell out of it! I'm not a huge fan of eggplant, but if I'm eating in a restaurant that serves it, guess what? I don't order it! If Muslim students don't like the fact that alcohol is served in a restaurant, they can either prepare their own food, not order the booze, or eat someplace else!
Somehow, their endless demands for special treatment sound to me like their gentle, kind, peace loving method of taking over the free countries! They won't be happy until everything is their way.
Here's an article from Canada that you might find interesting... and maybe just a little scary...
Muslim students push for halal eatery
Alcohol makes U of T campus bar unsuitable
Zosia Bielski, National Post
Published: Thursday, October 18, 2007
Mr. Wulkan says dissatisfied Muslims certainly have the right to think halal at Bluff's is inappropriate--and not eat it. But he says the point is choice.
"There's varying degrees of religiosity amongst who people who practice. A reformed Jew may keep their dishes separate and not eat pork, whereas an ultra-orthodox Jew would hold separate dishwashers, separate fridges. For a lot of students on campus, they enjoy the option, and the option is there for them to enjoy."
Mr. Wulkan declined to comment on the possibility of a halal eatery at the vacant spot, once a Travel Cuts location.
Nouman Ashraf, the university's anti-racism and cultural diversity officer, says he has not received any complaints about Bluff 's. Ultimately, Mr. Ashraf said, the university should work to integrate diverse ethnic communities, not segregate them.
"I wouldn't dismiss their complaint outright, but I wouldn't feel obliged to respond each and every facet of it. This is an equity issue, not just an issue around competing rights. We have to look at dining atmospheres for different groups, and not in a way that isolates one from the other."
Mr. Wulkan says dissatisfied Muslims certainly have the right to think halal at Bluff's is inappropriate--and not eat it. But he says the point is choice.
"There's varying degrees of religiosity amongst who people who practice. A reformed Jew may keep their dishes separate and not eat pork, whereas an ultra-orthodox Jew would hold separate dishwashers, separate fridges. For a lot of students on campus, they enjoy the option, and the option is there for them to enjoy."
Mr. Wulkan declined to comment on the possibility of a halal eatery at the vacant spot, once a Travel Cuts location.
Nouman Ashraf, the university's anti-racism and cultural diversity officer, says he has not received any complaints about Bluff 's. Ultimately, Mr. Ashraf said, the university should work to integrate diverse ethnic communities, not segregate them.
"I wouldn't dismiss their complaint outright, but I wouldn't feel obliged to respond each and every facet of it. This is an equity issue, not just an issue around competing rights. We have to look at dining atmospheres for different groups, and not in a way that isolates one from the other."
© National Post 2007
Somehow, their endless demands for special treatment sound to me like their gentle, kind, peace loving method of taking over the free countries! They won't be happy until everything is their way.
Here's an article from Canada that you might find interesting... and maybe just a little scary...
Muslim students push for halal eatery
Alcohol makes U of T campus bar unsuitable
Zosia Bielski, National Post
Published: Thursday, October 18, 2007
Mr. Wulkan says dissatisfied Muslims certainly have the right to think halal at Bluff's is inappropriate--and not eat it. But he says the point is choice.
"There's varying degrees of religiosity amongst who people who practice. A reformed Jew may keep their dishes separate and not eat pork, whereas an ultra-orthodox Jew would hold separate dishwashers, separate fridges. For a lot of students on campus, they enjoy the option, and the option is there for them to enjoy."
Mr. Wulkan declined to comment on the possibility of a halal eatery at the vacant spot, once a Travel Cuts location.
Nouman Ashraf, the university's anti-racism and cultural diversity officer, says he has not received any complaints about Bluff 's. Ultimately, Mr. Ashraf said, the university should work to integrate diverse ethnic communities, not segregate them.
"I wouldn't dismiss their complaint outright, but I wouldn't feel obliged to respond each and every facet of it. This is an equity issue, not just an issue around competing rights. We have to look at dining atmospheres for different groups, and not in a way that isolates one from the other."
Mr. Wulkan says dissatisfied Muslims certainly have the right to think halal at Bluff's is inappropriate--and not eat it. But he says the point is choice.
"There's varying degrees of religiosity amongst who people who practice. A reformed Jew may keep their dishes separate and not eat pork, whereas an ultra-orthodox Jew would hold separate dishwashers, separate fridges. For a lot of students on campus, they enjoy the option, and the option is there for them to enjoy."
Mr. Wulkan declined to comment on the possibility of a halal eatery at the vacant spot, once a Travel Cuts location.
Nouman Ashraf, the university's anti-racism and cultural diversity officer, says he has not received any complaints about Bluff 's. Ultimately, Mr. Ashraf said, the university should work to integrate diverse ethnic communities, not segregate them.
"I wouldn't dismiss their complaint outright, but I wouldn't feel obliged to respond each and every facet of it. This is an equity issue, not just an issue around competing rights. We have to look at dining atmospheres for different groups, and not in a way that isolates one from the other."
© National Post 2007
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Comment by Brenton
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You're right... I smell a conspiracy... ISLAMIC CONSPIRACY!
Today, the Tuckshop... Tomorrow THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!
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Comment by Mountain Fog
All religions, now and in the past, especially Christianity, have practised segregation and persecution.
And considering this last point, persecution, I and anyone who reads this should note that, you who agree with the subjugation and alienation of Muslim people, are in fact enjoining the age old practise of persecution...which is of course an anti-Christian ethic!
It is not how we practise our religious beliefs but how we relate and treat each other that counts. To live in a civilised world is to behave in a civilised manner.
I wonder, if you object to Muslims so much, how do you feel about black people being able to sit at the front of the bus?
In closing, I'd like to point out that it was the Muslim peoples who first recognized mental illness as a disease and built the first hospitals dedicated to helping those afflicted. This was done at a time when people in England paid a penny to go and laugh at poor hapless mad souls chained against a wall, before they trotted off to lunch!
Should you be brave enough to admit your malady and present yourself for psychiatric assessment, I'm sure a Muslim run facility would be pleased to assist you!
peace be unto you.
fog
Comment by S.L. Bradish
Brenton, conspiracies are generally kept quiet. The Muslims make no bones about the fact that they consider themselves under some sort of a mandate to rule the world. Some are using force, others are just pushing for more and more and more, until they have it all.
Comment by S.L. Bradish
If this were the 1930's, you'd probably be telling me what a great guy Hitler was as he incrementally took over Germany and violently took over Europe. It's the same thing, Fog.
Comment by Mountain Fog
Hate to inform you..but most of the world think only the INSANE started the illegal war in the first place! But had there not been any oil there...no matter...
I do not deny there are Muslim radical extremists...but all sorts of extremists exist in every culture...don't they?
Maybe you missed that part, while being lost in your fog...
Abuse is always the first and last resort of a low brow intellect.
Like you missed the fact that I never said I was prejudiced.[/I]
No...I didn't miss that part at all...you don't have to SAY you are prejudice...you betray your prejudice through your bigotted opinion.
[I...what a great guy Hitler was...
No..I'd never say that...I loathe ALL FACISTS...whether they wear a Nazi insignia, or march to the tune of a 'good ole boy' militia.
And by the way...know who did support Hitler and his way of thinking...old JFK's dad Joe Kennedy for one, and many other leading American industrialists.
The trouble with your thinking is, you believe the only way to protect yourself, or your country, is through organized violence.
This may be an excellent way for corporations to increase their wealth, by selling arms for the war effort, but it does nothing to help solve a divide between peoples.
Most Muslim people only want to live in peace and harmony with their neighbours. Some, of all religions, not the least of them being Christians, do NOT want to live in peace and harmony with their neighbours, because they don't believe in the same things. Now how DUMB is that? How far from the teachings of Jesus is that concept?
Finally, if you think organised violence is the solution, think about Vietnam...
cheers
fog
Comment by S.L. Bradish
So, you thought Saddam Hussein was a good leader? I guess you never lived under the kind of brutality and cruelty he practiced. Maybe you should find out what the real Iraqis think before dissing the war.
Comparisons with Viet Nam are a foolish waste of time. The two are nothing alike. And the Iraqi people are the beneficiaries of their oil proceeds. The terrorist connection has been proven, as were the WMD's. All your arguments are spurious, Fog.
Comment by Anonymous
The way words are twisted is nothing short of amazing, for instance,
"Muslim students push for halal eatery"
Believe it or not this is quite common throughout most of the civilised world. Muslims aren't few in numbers and catering to them is no different than catering to vegans.
"Alcohol makes U of T campus bar unsuitable"
Unsuitable, so it's just another way of saying 'sorry but if it's in the bar then no deal'. Would it be less demanding if they requested it to be in the bar? The idea behind halal are three key criteria:
The animal is not of a higher intelligence (i.e. cats, pigs, dogs etc)
The animal was not killed in a painful manner (rules out electric shocks)
The food will not damage the body if taken in moderation and will not affect the thinking capacity of the one who eats it.
Obviously having halal food sold in a bar kind of cancels the reason it's halal.
I know of many universities and restaraunts tha thappily provide halal food. It may seem crazy and outrageous but private enterprise likes to satisfy customers because it makes them more popular (read: profitable).
I don't see any problems about (Christian) prayers inscribled on wrappers from a certain restaraunt chain trying to cater to christians, I don't see any problems with Muslims requeesting halal food. If none is provided then it's strictly BYO and the restaraunt won't be as successful as it could possibly have.
I don't even have problems with blatantly inaccurate scientific 'facts' on a childrens menu to appease Christians. Complain all you want about Muslims being so demanding and ruining the great christian nation that is America, by that logic Christians have completely destroyed science!
It isn't your choice what a restaraunt does or doesn't, it also isn't your choice someone chooses to not eat somewhere simply because of choice.
Unless you're Ann Coulter and believe non-christians need 'perfecting' then you should butt out of the requests people make, it isn't your call who caters to who.
"If this were the 1930's, you'd probably be telling me what a great guy Hitler was as he incrementally took over Germany and violently took over Europe. It's the same thing, Fog."
No it isn't the samething, Hitler turned the Jews into scapegoats (much like you're trying to do with muslims here) and through that further his own ideals. If you really are suggesting muslims are trying to take over the world by simply requesting simple things then all you are doing is hiding your own contempt and spite for Muslims, in vein too might I add.
Since you've already invoked godwins law it's apparent you don't have an open mind about this conversation. I'll see you in hell, I don't think Jesus likes people who throw insults in the name of Christian rights much less does he like anyone who isn't a Christian, and particularly a Jew (as according to ann coulter).
Comment by Anonymous
Jesus Christ you have not even met a Muslim have you?
Do you honestly expect anyone to believe your story that Muslims are hell beant on converting people? Anyone who has met a Muslim will know better, it would seem it is you with your blatantly racist and misleading comments.
You represent this 'sane' part of the world, no doubt your 'sane' world involves oppressing rights of just about everyone, be it muslim, jew, homosexual or even vegan. If thats sane then you're not really part of the majority, and thank googdness your little war is failing. It might serve to keep another world war from happening, at least this 'war on terror' has proven the power of the US is finite, and just like Vietnam it isn't going anywhere. So thank goodness to that.
It must be a pain to know your father is also your uncle, and that you come froma long line of inbreds, but no need to take it out on other people.
Comment by S.L. Bradish
If someone wants to open a halal restaurant, let them. The university system wasn't designed as a caterer... or was it? Maybe all the prospective halal customers should get together and start an eatery of their own, instead of insisting the University should foot the bill.
And maybe you should grow up and stop hiding behind "anonymity", huh? If you're so ashamed of what you say, you might consider shutting up. If you're proud of displaying your ignorance, use your name.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just don't understand people who try and argue theirs while blatently saying that the other person is wrong. How do you truly know that you are right. Yes I know you believe that you are but so do they. So who is REALLY right?
I personally can't stand the 'ignorance' where people brandish all 'Muslims' in the same category as the 'Extremists Muslims'.
If people truly knew anything, they would understand that it is actually AGAINST their religion to kill yourself. No matter the cause. And as for 'Koran directs them to convert the whole world'. Well so do other religions. Why finger-point at just one?
Like I said everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And I for one am not the type to feel better about myself by dragging other people down.
One thing that does erk me though is how everyone relates HITLER to be the WORSE dictator. Yes he was something other than human, but if look at more recent history and you will find one who was A LOT worse but the coverage wasn't as grand as Hitler's terrible reign and dare I say it. its victims weren't as highly powerful and therefore its not as showcased.
Peace will not be achieved until everyone learns to see the others point of view.
Comment by Jeff Musall
And SL...you know more represent sanity in the world (or the US for that matter) than a cow represents the moon. Your line of thinking is recognized right alongside the Islamic jihadist in the rest of the world.
Comment by KylieW
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Okay, you know I can see your point. I personally think everyone should have a choice. Don't drink alcohol? Fine, don't order it. Don't eat meat? Eat at a vegetarian restaurant. Nobody should force their particular views on anyone. You've said it extremely aggressively as though you have something against muslims. Which I can see from your comments, that you do, but I can kind of see your point.
But to some of the other things that have been said:
The Muslims, themselves, admit that their Koran directs them to convert the whole world, whether by force or not.
What BS is that???? Tell me where in the Koran it says that.
Religious extremists of all kinds are dangerous. Islamic, christian...whatever. Fanatics who are unable to think for themself and operate on blind faith are dangerous.....regardless of their particular religion.
And Lester - as for Christians not making demands on everyone. That's a load of BS. Christians whine about everything from what is shown on tv, to what is written in books. Of course they hide their narrowminded bigotry under pretenses of 'family values'
Oh and to your comment about living under Sadam Hussein. Yes, terrible dictator. Did all kinds of cruel things to people. Mostly the same kinds of things the US is advocating in the name of "the war on terrorism".....you know, torture, holding people in cells indefinitely witout ever needing to press charges or prove that they have done something wrong. Of course, you can commit any atrocity you like against your own citizens, as long as it's in the name of stopping terrorism Ironic.
Kylie
Comment by Australian Fashionista
Although Australia is not without its own share of narrow minded or old fashioned discriminators, I am glad I live nowhere near the friendly and 'diverse' US of A.
How dare anyone suggest another should "go back to their own country"??! Without the proper legal permissions they would not be residents of that country, so like it or not, they are your neighbour AND your patriotic brother or sister, regardless of their (or your) religious views.
This topic you raise is I suppose a request by a minority religious group to have their sensitivities considered. If it is an unreasonable request, it should be politely refused but options should be available like the freedom to go elsewhere, bring food whatever the case may be.
Please try to see things through other's eyes once in a while.
Comment by Mountain Fog
Umm...how are other religions being "removed from view" exactly? Even here in Australia you turn on the TV late at night and you get a constant stream of American evangelists preaching their version/interpretation of the Gospels. This goes across the entire Western world, and further, seven days a week!!
Have you ever seen a Muslim TV show preaching to you? No, neither have I!!! And there is one Muslim demand that is not being met, being treated equally; try dressing up as a devout Muslim and catch a plane and you'll see what I mean!
Your next statement is very telling...
"We're supposed to have freedom of religion, not freedom from it and not freedom for a select few."
"Freedom of religion", yes of course I agree! But that means ALL religions!!
"not freedom from it" then by this you MUST agree that even the Muslim faith should be allowed to minister to its faithful and that they practise it within the laws of the country they are in. Which they do....and by your inference you do not want any Muslim to have.
"and not freedom for a select few."
Since there are only three major global religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, it would seem, by the numbers, it is already only for the select few...unless you are intimating that there should be one LESS of these three?
But of course, you couldn't mean that because you say,
"I am not a bigot in any way."
Do you object to Christians having a chapel on campus? No? Well, of course not!
Do you object to Jews having a Kosher section on campus for their food? No? Then what is the problem with Muslims having their own area? Oh, that's right, ALL Muslims want to take over the world according to your paranoid theory!
I really don't think you even understand the word 'bigot' actually!
So, you thought Saddam Hussein was a good leader? I guess you never lived under the kind of brutality and cruelty he practiced. Maybe you should find out what the real Iraqis think before dissing the war.
No, I never said I thought that mongrel was a good leader! I loathed Hussein!
Much more than the CIA and the USA State Dept. did actually, both of whom helped Hussein get the chemicals, (and other weaponry), which he ended up gassing the Kurds with, (it was originally meant for gassing Iran). These were the same Kurds the CIA encouraged to attack Hussein, then sat back and did not deliver military assistance as they promised, and watched them all get gassed! Hussein was supported logistically throughout his entire reign of terror by various USA government agencies. So, maybe you should put your question of morality, regarding Hussein, to your own government?
As regards what the local Iraqis want?
Yes I do know! Unlike you I imagine, I read Salam Pax's blog during the war as he described in detail what was happening in the streets of Bagdad as the rockets destroyed thousands of innocent people's homes and lives. The news services mainly showed the good hits, not the many misses that strayed into civilian houses.
I also read many others' blogs during the war, including those of USA soldiers...none of them agreed with what the USA was doing by the way, or how they stupidly executed it. But, of course, you get all your news from Fox News et al, those doyens of the "truth", in reality, are serving as your government propaganda machines, and America is not alone in this trend, it is happening here in Australia and in Britain.
Comparisons with Viet Nam are a foolish waste of time. The two are nothing alike. And the Iraqi people are the beneficiaries of their oil proceeds. The terrorist connection has been proven, as were the WMD's. All your arguments are spurious, Fog.
As for comparisons with Vietnam, you completely miss the subtle point I was making. The USA embarked on a "manufactured war" of convenience, in order to boost its economy, which relies on arms sales (check it out if you disbelieve me), so it created an excuse to invade Vietnam, and lost the war. The same thing is happening in Iraq and the only difference is, the oil supply!
There were no terrorists in Iraq before it was attacked by the coalition, as stated by the head of the CIA, who also publicly warned your government not to attack Iraq, as it will make the area more unstable!
According to the CIA, Hussein, though his faults are many and vile, had at least run a secular society, where religious influence on State matters, or on the population, was forbidden. Any religious fanatics were usually killed. Hussein was a declared enemy of Iran and Al Qaeda!!
The USA bolstered Hussein for many years as a bulwark against Iran. It was only when Hussein invaded Kuwait, (and that used to be part of Iraq originally), that the USA got nasty, because good ole George Bush senior and his Saudi Arabian business buddies, (they were the Bin Laden family by the way!!), got pissed off that Hussein was going to control too much of the world's oil supply.
And the WMD's...oh dear...don't you remember? They were supposed to be making nuclear weapons??!!! Which they would have if they could, but they hadn't. This was proved categorically by the investigators and the USA Army and UN WMD specialists, and the UN warned the USA and its "coalition of the willing" that it would be illegal to attack Iraq without just cause and UN consent, which was ignored. So the launching of an unprovoked attack, without a proper declaration of war, was done illegally.
Pity you didn't hear about it all, maybe then your opinion would be more balanced and sensible. But this is what happens when you take for granted that the government, and the mass media, is telling you the whole truth! You need to read more widely S.L.
America is a wonderful country, with amazing people. I have LOVED her all my life! I have members of my own family who are American, and I couldn't be prouder of them or love them enough. But UNLESS you stop allowing your common sense to be distorted and misled, your country is in grave danger of being controlled by a vicious subversive regime from within. This applies to my country, and Britain also.
We live in dangerous times and we have to face the fact that, some of our common enemies of freedom, are within our own military/industrial alliances.
cheers and may you become more enlightened and less easily scared!
fog
Comment by Michaelie
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And Lester -
Are you kidding? Christianity holds the always-already position of dominant ideal, the same as the Western world is embedded in a culture of white supremacy. Saying they should just go back to their own country hardly fosters acceptance, integration and multiculturalism. But then, you could hardly believe in multiculturalism. Or would you be happy with it as long as it was Eurocentric?
Michaelie
Comment by Brenton
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Personaly, I'll have you know, I'm terrified.
Yawn. Wake me up when the Jihad is over...
Comment by DuskDevi
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Diversity is a crock.
If we all stuck to where we came from, the world would be a better place.
Oh...and the US would be empty.
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That country was used as an example because that is the flag that is flying here.
Comment by Anonymous
Muslims can say the same thing about Christians, Jews or any other religions - why don't you complain about Kosha and the Jewish or Christianity and the holidays we are forced to take for Christmas and Easter.
Tolerance is a big word and maybe you should learn it. Everyone makes exceptions for everyone else and not just society for Muslims!
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Duskdevi, yawn right back at you. If you can't make yourself understood the first time around, maybe you shouldn't open your yap and comment on things obviously way over your head.
Comment by S.L. Bradish
I don't supposed any of you brilliant people noticed the little fact that the majority of my article was from a newspaper column? You probably didn't catch the part about "let the Muslims who want a halal only restaurant build their own", either, did you? Maybe you also missed the fact that 9/11 was carried out by Muslim extremists? Not to mention the failed attempts all over the world that were prevented by increased security... but perhaps you consider that just fear mongering? The dictates of the Koran to take over the world didn't come from me, they came from the words of Muslims who plan to carry out their "mandate" to destroy everything that doesn't agree with them (and everyone, as well). Their religion is their excuse for engaging in cold blooded murder and terrorism all over the world. Many of them came to the free countries to engage in enrolling new "members" to their religion and teach them to kill. Maybe that's why there are so many terrorist training camps all over the place? Ya think? Oh, sorry, some of you don't think...
As for the religious aspect, don't you people ever hear any news? Christmas carrolls are not allowed in public, Christmas cookies are being discontinued by at least one company," Happy Holidays" is replacing "Merry Christmas" in many stores and workplaces so as not to "offend" anyone. Wearing Christian jewelry is forbidden in some schools and businesses because of the connection to religion (while Muslim garb is acceptable). Factories are expected to shut down while Muslims say their prayers. Sporting arenas have been pressured to provide Muslims a place to pray and building footbaths for the practice of their religion. Christians are not allowed to say prayers aloud in school (even invocations for events that always had them before) while Muslim students are allowed to leave their classes and have a special room for their prayers, including someone to lead them. Footbaths, which many Muslims don't even have in their homes, are being provided in lots of public schools.
Diversity? How funny is that!! Pandering and catering are the law of many lands these days.
While we freely give freedoms to Muslim immigrants, they proudly hold banners in their marches (with their faces under a cowardly covering, of course). The banners say "Death to America" "Down with England" "Freedom be Damned" and other pretty slogans. They riot and march in protest against the very governments that give them the right to do so. John Howard has it right! The first time a Muslim extremist uses his position for sedition, he's shown the proverbial door.
I'm not prejudiced against Muslims, and yes, I do know a few of them. Good, solid, hardworking people who came here for a better life than the one they had under Shariah Law. They learned the language, keep their religion to themselves (as everyone should) and are glad to live in freedom without having a need to abuse it!
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Because that`s a really intelligent response. Maybe if all the Americans went home the Native Indians would have lots of freedomS too.
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As for you, Anonymous, either use your own name or stop wasting my time.
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I think it was Marx.
Are we not all from the same species?. I have the view that religion is a form of social control and in some form it has value, when extremism and fundamentalism is involved well that’s when the hypocrisy starts.
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