Shariah Law Killings
December 17th 2007 15:42
A beautiful 16 year old girl is the latest victim of the "kind, gentle, peaceful, loving" followers of Shariah Law. When her family moved to Canada, she thought (silly her) that freedom meant freedom. She was foolish enough to believe (apparently) that in free countries, people have rights. Maybe she thought that her father was one of those Muslims who care for their women-folk and protect them. Boy, was she wrong!
She wanted the same rights other teens have and didn't want to have to hide under a hijab. She wanted to live in her new country, not in the old one. She wanted to have the same rights that other girls had. Sure is asking a lot, huh? When she refused to wear the hijab, he father did as Shariah Law required and murdered her in cold blood. He strangled her to death in accordance with his twisted and disgusting "religion."
This isn't the first case, nor will it be the last. Just the most recent. How long will Shariah Law be allowed in free countries? If they practiced canabalism, would that be frowned upon? Would it be outlawed? Probably not... They own slaves (referred to her as wives and children), they engage in violence (domestic) with impunity, and they expect to get away with murder when wives or daughters disobey.
To Canada's credit, the father (aka monster) will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of their laws. Unfortunately, Canada doesn't have the death penalty so he won't get what he really deserves. He'll probably be comfortably ensconced in a cozy cell, complete with his Koran, prayer mat and special diet so he can continue to practice the same "religion" that got him incarcerated to begin with. You'd think the free countries of the world would get sick and tired of catering to Islamic extremists, wouldn't you?
She wanted the same rights other teens have and didn't want to have to hide under a hijab. She wanted to live in her new country, not in the old one. She wanted to have the same rights that other girls had. Sure is asking a lot, huh? When she refused to wear the hijab, he father did as Shariah Law required and murdered her in cold blood. He strangled her to death in accordance with his twisted and disgusting "religion."
This isn't the first case, nor will it be the last. Just the most recent. How long will Shariah Law be allowed in free countries? If they practiced canabalism, would that be frowned upon? Would it be outlawed? Probably not... They own slaves (referred to her as wives and children), they engage in violence (domestic) with impunity, and they expect to get away with murder when wives or daughters disobey.
To Canada's credit, the father (aka monster) will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of their laws. Unfortunately, Canada doesn't have the death penalty so he won't get what he really deserves. He'll probably be comfortably ensconced in a cozy cell, complete with his Koran, prayer mat and special diet so he can continue to practice the same "religion" that got him incarcerated to begin with. You'd think the free countries of the world would get sick and tired of catering to Islamic extremists, wouldn't you?
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Comment by Lester Caudill
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What they should do for this pig is to give pig feet and fat back, to eat everyday, with a nice pig skin blanket.
S.L. there won't be much said about this as they don't want to offend the great Muslim faith.
Lets see how many of the liberals that gives Christianity a hard time speaks up here.
Comment by tlcorbin
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As I understand it, he strangled her with his own hands(?). That type of crime is usually connected with something more than just a religious zeal, suggesting something that evokes a much more mindless and out of control rage on a personal level. Sometimes the line between love and hate is precariously thin.
Sharia law may have contributed to the father's mindset, but probably wasn't the source of his anger; her actions definitely were. It's a miracle that kids are allowed to survive their teen years, they're usually challenging everything while going through this critical learning period. And it is vexing for parents in general, and not all of the parents are going to survive their children's teen years.
What he did is heinous on any level. Give the courts a chance to investigate and then draw your conclusions from more than the touted facts.
Raven
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Comment by S.L. Bradish
Even if the crud-bag father is convicted, he'll get the kid-glove treatment, wait and see.
And just FYI, Lester is an ordained minister. Nowhere in the Bible does it say we're supposed to approve of violence to others under the guise of any "religion". In fact, approving of Shariah Law should be a shame and embarrassment for any decent person, Christian or not.
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I can't help but weonder where NOW (National Organization of Warthogs) is while women are being abused. They deserve to live under what they support by their silence and tacit approval.
Comment by Lester Caudill
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S.L. I have two teenage boys, and I don't feel like killing them, sure they try my patients some time, but that is just being a parent.
Communications not murder is the solution. Raven or what ever you call yourself when does wanting to make sure someone is fed and warn a sin?
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less than Rev. Lester, you should go read some of the postings on stormfront.org, and you'll recognize grannie hate's sources; but first you'll need to pull the ring from your nose that she uses to drag you around the flotsam of her mind. You should learn to research and think; are you parroting words that would make Christ smile with pride?
You're conducting yourself like some mindless dunce; is your world view really as small as your little village of 2,200?
Thankfully, SLB and Lester your spheres of influence is small, except as a local irritant.
Come read my blog: A wrongful death made worse. You don't even have to search for it. Click here: Really Long Link
Raven
Comment by S.L. Bradish
Maybe you should find someone else to bother with your foolishness and leave the adults alone. As for my "sphere of influence", it's none of your business. I won't dignify your foolishness by visiting your blog, because it might cause some of my readers to go there. And I'd hate to waste their time on "drivel."
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Comment by Lester Caudill
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Raven sounds like one of those radical Islamic supporters, If she feels that strong about it maybe she should spend some time in Saudi Arabia, to get some first hand knowledge.
She should a least know what she is talking about before she speaks. But I didn't hear anything but insults, no rational at all just hate.
That's why I will take Jesus over Mohammed, Jesus promotes love, and Mohammed promotes hate.
Comment by D. Armenta
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It's a bird!
It's a plane!
No, it's SUPERBRADISH--leaping to tall conclusions in a single bound! Spewing opinions as truths, with absolutely no references or links to something/anything based upon legitimate research and/or documented fact to back up her statements! Shariah law? Pfft!! Who needs to check facts when you're SUPERBRADISH?
Very well, then. Based upon The Bradish Way of drawing conclusions, I hereby submit that:
All Christian teenagers who are homeschooled are in fact cold-blooded, soulless sociopaths.
I cite 18-year-old David Ludwig and 14-year-old Kara Borden as irrefutable evidence to support my conclusion (here in Bradish World)...
Comment by S.L. Bradish
Yep, in the fantasy world of Armentaland, those abuses are perfectly acceptable, aren't they? All hail the Armenta Muslims and support Shariah Law! The all-knowing D. Armenta has proclaimed that women are lower than second-class citizens. Although, in Armentaland, only she of the vast brilliance has rights. Only she served in the military. Only she is a female who can continue to exist because she supports Shariah Law. Right? You're not much of a woman, are you, D.? After all, you find it entirely acceptable that other women go through hell while you enjoy name calling and insulting those who actually care about the women who are being abused.
Stop wasting my time and go get a sex change so you can join the Shariah Law enforcers.
Comment by Anonymous
No human has the right to take the life of another human being. Should the father have had problems with his daughter, he should have taken her to islamic courts if he was so aggravated by her behaviour.
I think a lot of people need to understand that just because an islamic country has a law, that doesn't make it shariah. For example, Shariah law does not state that a rape victim should be beheaded, instead it is the rapists that should be beheaded. Just because Saudi Arabia has a law, that does NOT automatically make it Shariah. I think this has always been misunderstood and misinterpreted.
I agree that the father committed a heinious crime for which he be punished. Also, just so most of your'll know, the death sentence for murdering his daughter that so many of your'll ask for, is a part of Shariah.
Do not blame or be quick to pass judgement on something. I ask you to ask yourselves how much of Shariah do you REALLY know? How much have you researched and understood and not just gauged from something the media tells you? Please be aware of the facts and well researched before you blame (in this case Shariah) any thing. Judge anything only after you know all the facts. Yes, he killed his daughter and committed a crime, but was it because Shariah required him to do so? I DO NOT think so. Read about Shariah regarding this issue, and then comment.
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Comment by D. Armenta
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Bradish--HAHAHAHA!! Now that was a witty riposte. Where do you come up with these brilliant bon mots?
So anyway, getting back to my point--based on your research techniques, I contend that all homeschooled Christian teens are coldblooded,soulless sociopaths.
Try and concentrate now, and give me a relevant answer to that contention..then you can continue with the sophomoric insults. They're very amusing.
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I have got to start writing these down. Such priceless verbal gems really should be preserved for future scholars of witty repartee, or in case I ever get into a rank-out contest with an aggressive 7-year-old. Move over, H.L Mencken, Dorothy Parker, and Oscar Wilde!
How dull, Bradish. How utterly dull and predictable of your ilk to avoid addressing the issue by any means possible.
You've converted me to believing in reincarnation. You have to be Joseph McCarthy reincarnated, or at least his clone.
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Now, SL, I do have a few problems with what you say about a couple things... but not this topic. If you would join me this evening or perhaps tomorrow on the forum (I don't want to mention which one here as I would be pissed to have this type of 'pollution' there and so would everyone else) where the political book you just wrote was given to two people as "a sneak peek" or so you called it.
Comment by S.L. Bradish
She is a pitiful example of public schools, liberalism and ignorance all rolled into one pathetic package. Just think about it before you criticize her, folks...
D. Armenta is obviously unschooled in the simplest forms of writing and comprehension. Her politics range from ultra-liberal to Shariah Law (both of which do great disservices to females) and she resorts to insults and name calling when her presumed "arguments" fail.
I knew a pitiful creature like her once. This one claimed to be female, but in reality was a male, hoping to get a sex change operation to become a female so that he/she/it could be a happy lesbian. D. sounds very much like that other person. Don't waste your anger on someone who isn't worth the effort.
Please, D. get some therapy for your multitudes of problems. Maybe a reading comprehension course would be nice for you, too. But take your foolishness to someone else's blog while you're getting your treatments, please. You're beginning to bore the rest of us to tears.
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She needs help, true, but more than you or I can offer. I won't validate her ravings by acknowledging her any further. She has my pity and thats all she's going to get.
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Im not a writer by trade so dont expect it to be perfect. But I served my counrty and will stand beside anyone who supports the troops whether they went to war themselves or not.
darmenta, I think your a liberal fraud and just like baggering people that love there country. You need to go away and grow up.
SLBradish thank you for supporting the troops. keep up the good work.
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Sorry Bradish, but your complete lack of references/links/citations to back up any of your "facts" bores me to tears. If you can't provide intelligent answers to legitimate questions (instead of spouting vitriol to evade the issue) I really can't be bothered to continue responding.
Besides.. the slashing, rapier-like wit of you and your toadies has left me devastated...
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Comment by Lilla
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Although I sometimes read (and vote) on your site, I do not often 'jump in' to the heated debates and hate-frenzies you often (interestingly) inspire ... but this time I thought I'd make an exception to the rule as it is a legitimate topic... and because both sides are right here.
In a world that is choking on haze and hate, with the two sides (Muslim and rest-of-world) becoming more defined as the time goes one... and not one to incite racial hatred against the innocent, or excite racial cleansing of the innocent...I'd like to offer my point of view.
Side (a) - When in Rome, one must stick to the Law of The Land. In this case Canadian Law... his karma is his own lookout. The same would apply in Iran or Iraq, where I can remember an Australian nurse receiving public lashes in the town square for having RUBBING alcohol in the top drawer of her hotel. The law said No Alchohol at all.
Side (b) - because of the widened gap in racial tension (and because I am a qualified journalist), it is always advisable to include a link or two to the source of your information, if you really care about the situation and want to make a difference in people's minds.
Humanity and it's individuals are not born in a vacuum. We all relate to a past and create a future with our actions... it is advisable to also remember that and put in the work required to make our intentions honourable.
This incident is a sad one, no doubts about it, but I hope her life has not been in vain and that it yields some justice and new laws (without religious loopholes) to curb the unlawful in any culture, especially ours.
I really feel very sorry for the mother and siblings.
Lilla ...
Comment by S.L. Bradish
I was wiling (for a time) to listen to D. Armenta because she said she had served her country. Now I begin to wonder what country that might have been.
You're a hero, Griz and I thank you for your service. It's a sickening shame that you Nam vets didn't get better treatment when you came home. I have a feeling it's people like D.Armenta and her icky little crowd who are the troop-bashers. They should all be ashamed.
If you have the nerve to come back to my blog and read this Armenta. YOU are the TOAD!
Comment by S.L. Bradish
The father is a monster who should never be allowed out of prison and the rest of the family should understand that they don't have to live like slaves anymore. Freedom means freedom and Shariah Law should never supercede the laws of any other country.
Comment by Anonymous
You really need to up your meds sweetie. Your multiple personalities aren't reading as seperate individuals as you would like.
If you're going to 'enlist' the 'support' of your 'friends' and 'readers'...could you try to make them write differently?
Please explain/clarify this supposed difference that you have such a grip on (according to your blog header blurb)?
I see no difference in the hatred and evil of this murderous act (the point of your post) and the hatred and evil of your bigotry.
Can you not see the hypocrisy of constantly judging everything and everyone but taking offense at your words (not actions*) being judged?
*I'm willing to bet that you're a ranter and a raver but not a doer. The kind of person who says they would die for their country but when it comes to the crunch, you'd be the first one off the ship.
My heart goes out to you...it really does. I'm not being sarcastic.
Your hatred of humankind is palpable. I realise this stems from your hatred of yourself for being human. I suspect you have suffered too.
I am sorry that life has treated you unkindly. I am sorry that the only way for you to get approval and affection and a modicum of self worth is via this impersonal medium (blogging)....and you 'get off' on igniting anger.
In a warped way...creating 'anarchy' makes you feel powerful and 'in control'. And loved. As blog moderator, you have final say and the power of 'delete'.
You are dictatorial and also very Paris Hilton-esque! In that you are a publicity and shock tactic hog.
I truly hope you find peace within yourself. It is only through being at peace with oneself that one can find the true strength to fight injustice without hatred. Then you don't have ulterior motive.
Please understand that like attracts like. If you hate yourself and project this hatred outwards because you are in denial, then you will attract others like this.
It's self fulfilling. People afflicted with self hatred perpetuate global hate. And indirectly contribute to the evil acts of hatred cited in your post.
That's not what you want is it? You want to be loved. You want approval. You want to be part of the 'good guys' brigade. This is why you envy innately good people like D Armenta and tlcorbin.
I've had a look at their posts. I've had a look at your posts. The proof of the pudding is in the reading and the feeling. I am not left with a bitter aftertaste in my mouth after reading what they have to say.
Their readers don't feel the need to attack each other because the blog moderators promote harmony and equality.
There lies the difference between right and wrong.
By the way Lester Caudill...Jesus does promote love...as do all significant religious figures (sorry to break it to you but God is not bound by race, creed or faith)...it is the common zealot that has abused this love and used Christianity and other religions, as a weapon to promote peace through warfare.
An ordained minister? Well...isn't it wonderful what one can do over the Net nowadays?
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And I'm not "impuning decent people".
I'm impugning you.
Impugn: v attack as false or wrong
You are false and you are wrong.
Your opinion has as much value as the two faced tag you attach to it.
This was obviously never about the 16 year old victim. This was about your pitiful need for attention. You used her plight and her tragedy as fodder for your egomaniacal iniquity.
...And that is why I choose to remain anonymous. I am ashamed that people like you exist.
Comment by Anonymous
Tim O'Brien, one of the greatest living American writers, served in Vietnam, never once mentioned how they were made to learn 'manners' and frequently quotes his fellow soldiers, who would oftne use explitives.
If you really think the armed forces are all about manners you got another thing coming to you. Are we to just believe whhat you say despite all the contradicing evidence? SOldiers aren't taught to be courteous, and at least Armenta is brave enough to have her picutre online. WHere's your proof mr. navy seal?
Comment by D. Armenta
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–noun 1. an obsequious flatterer; sycophant.
]Reference: Dictionary.com
Observe, Bradish: the definition of toady and a cited reference.
So, are you going to answer my original challenge to your methods of research or what? What's the hold-up here?
Comment by S.L. Bradish
My referrences and resources are called "the news." If you need more information, maybe your keepers could let you watch Fox News Channel. Then you could see everything that's really going on in the world (instead of listening to the mainstream media who only report selected pieces of the truth.) It's called "paying attention" and probably too many syllables for you.
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I cited my sources, D. Anon. It's called the NEWS! The murders of Muslim girls who don't want to wear hijabs and be stomped down at every turn (at the hands of their fathers) is well enough documented via the Canadian news and American (Fox, at least.) If you want to know more, I suggest AGAIN that you try watching the real news and lay off the sugar-coated anti-American crappola that NBC, CBS, ABC and their cable affiliates provide.
There is no need to "cite sources" on "Really Long Link" or other biased bull dookey when simply watching the news is sufficient. If you can't do that, you obviously aren't interested in knowing anything. Have your keepers turn the TV to Fox News Channel and try to pay attention. Surely some news will seep through and you won't require "cited sources" after seeing things on the screen.
On the other hand, D. Anon, you can try to come up with your version of "debate" and explain to me why parents should be able to kill their kids, or why illegals are really a good thing, or how much you want to pay higher taxes. If you can't defend your positions, why do you bother expecting anyone to waste their time talking to you?
Comment by Anonymous
Okay, so you're saying that you heard on Fox News that Shariah Law states that a father must kill a daughter that doesn't wear a hajib. I'll be checking that out.
In the meantime, you could give some thought as to where Christian homeschooled kids learned that it was okay to kill their parents. Wasn't the public school system.
Off to crosscheck your resources now.
D. Armenta
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and
Canadian teen's dad charged with her murder
Neither of these articles mentions that Shariah Law requires a woman be killed for not wearing a hajib.
So the question remains: where did you read or hear that this was true?
D. Armenta
Comment by S.L. Bradish
Concerning the home schooled kids who kill, there are considerably fewer of them than "regular school" kids who kill. Some children are just bad to begin with and nothing a parent can do will make them better. It's a sad but true fact of life. Like the Menendez brothers who had everything (including a public school education) and killed their parents instead of going to college. Or Kip Kinkle, or the Columbine monsters, or any of a dozen other little slimes who made the news by killing teachers and fellow students in their public schools. I never said that ALL public indoctrination center kids were bad, just being badly taught. Now who's being an extremist hate monger, D.Anon? Are you having trouble spitting your foot out yet?
Comment by Anonymous
And where, pray tell, is Shariah law mentioned in there?
And why didn't any mention of Shariah law requirements about this story come up in the Fox archives?
Oh wait, I know--because there never was any mention of that!
Any other sources you'd care to cite about Shariah law requiring the girl's murder? Reliable ones, now--none of this made-up stuff.
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It's a little strange, isn't it... how much more polite you are when using your real name? As Anonymous, you were a real "a hole." Why the sudden change?
Comment by Anonymous
ALL of you... Stop and breathe slowly in and out for ten seconds.
I have never seen an Orble post such as this one before -- a massive nucelar meltdown of mutual hate.
You will be happy to know that I am neither a "rightie" nor a "leftie". I am just a young, female, university-educated (journalism degree) independent thinker. I am also from Australia, which means I have certain perspective on this issue, because I am in no danger of getting caught up in the whole American-patriotism emotional mush that has somehow leaked into this discussion.
And from my relatively sane perspective, I will just say this:
1. Bradish -- I can definitely see where you are coming from. Your point IS potentially a very valid one, but I do agree with others that you should be very careful about how you define things and perhaps do some broad research before you make such strong statements. Trust me, your readers will appreciate you for it. (And no, Fox News should definitely not be your only source of information. It certainly does not provide a balanced view.)
Also, you contradicted yourself in your post. First you said:
But then you said:
[QUOTE]To Canada's credit, the father (aka monster) will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of their laws.
Doesn't the fact that he is being proscecuted actually imply that Shariah law is NOT allowed in free countries (at least in the legal sense?). Not making yourself clear is the worst thing you can do as a writer.
In other words, please read a bit more, think a bit more, edit your writing a bit more, and everyone will be happier.
2. D. Armenta -- You are being too harsh. Surely you can see what Bradish is getting at, even if she didn't express herself 100% well.
I believe she only had the best intentions here -- these being the call for justice in cases where people excuse their crimes by saying that it's their culture or their religion, etc. Whether it's the Shariah Law or not the Shariah Law is not actually the most important thing here. What Bradish is trying to say is that it's tragically sad that women can suffer such a fate in the 21st century, even living in a free country, because people from certain backgrounds might be partially incited by their culture OR religion to commit these criems. What she wants is tougher laws and better protection for the victims, and that in itself makes sense.
There, I've said it. Now I feel a lot better.
E.
(I choose to remain anonymous at this stage because I'm new to Orble.)
Comment by S.L. Bradish
Don't ask for chapter and verse on everything I write. I'm not very good with computers and have no idea how to put links anywhere. If you need further information, you can go to Youranter's old blogs and find a great deal of information. He used to send me copies of Canadian articles that I used from time to time. Oddly enough, I was accused of all sorts of hate mongering when I used copies of the Canadian papers. Unfortunately, you won't be able to ask Youranter any questions. He died in Nov. But his words live on at www.opinionatedranter.com and the articles he sent are somewhere around here. I do